Interview by Doug Gibson
Recently, we reviewed Phil Hall's fascinating new book from BearManor Media, "In Search of Lost Films." You can read our review here. Phil's book provides us all hope that our fondest and most-hoped-for lost films may surface, whether in dusty foreign archives, the end shelf of a private collection, or even at a yard sale.
Today, he answers several questions related to his work, providing readers more insight into the search for lost films. You can buy Phil's book here and here. On with the interview!
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If someone with unlimited resources was looking for a typical lost film of the 20s or early 30s, one that was fairly widely distributed, where are the best locations to search
If someone with unlimited resources was looking for a typical lost film of the 20s or early 30s, one that was fairly widely distributed, where are the best locations to search
Hall: If we are talking
about American films, the best places would be foreign archives. A lopsided
majority of recovered American films turned up in Europe and many have emerged
in Australia, most likely because the distributors for those films didn’t
bother to recover the prints from their overseas releases. If you are talking
about Asian films, the same answer would apply: Indian and Chinese films that
disappeared in their respective countries have turned up in archives and
collections with a significant Asian expatriate population.
1 Why was silent film so disregarded by film
companies so quickly? Did sound film make it seem obsolete quickly?
Hall: The popularity of
sound films was fast and furious, catching many film companies off-guard.
Indeed, “The Jazz Singer” and the early talkies were initially seen as
novelties by the Hollywood studios and many film critics. But audiences were
the ones that ultimately decided what they wanted to see and once dialogue and
synchronized music was incorporated into films there was no turning back.
In retrospect, this
was curious because so many early talkies were not very good, while many silent
films from the 1927-1929 period represented the apex of screen art. But
obsolescence did not occur over immediately: many small town U.S. cinemas were
not able to afford a rewiring for sound until the early 1930s, so there were
still venues for silent movies. Silent production continued in Russia, Japan,
China and other nations well into the mid-1930s, while many independent and
avant-garde U.S. productions remained silent well into the 1940s
Why were motion picture companies so lax for so
many decades at preserving their products? I refer mainly to allowing nitrate
film to store inefficiently and corrupt, and allowing these old films’ prints
to be stored in the same location?
Hall: Because they never saw films as anything more than a disposable commodity. Prior to the advent of television, once a film ran its course in release there was no place for it to go, unless it was a mega-hit that could be re-released every few years. Plus, storage was expensive (especially off-site in warehouses). Unfortunately, the film companies lacked contemporary prescience in realizing the cultural, historic and commercial value of the older films.
1 In your opinion, what are five “lost” films that
you think are likely to be found?
Hall: That’s hard to say,
because films that were considered to be irretrievably lost, such as Orson
Welles’ footage for “Too Much Johnson,” have miraculously turned up in the
least likely places. I would like to imagine that Welles’ footage for his
unfinished “Moby Dick Rehearsed” is still out there (it was last seen in the
late 1960s), and I would hope that the Kubrick preserved the deleted pie fight
climax from “Dr. Strangelove.” Otherwise, I would wager that three long-lost
silent comedies – Harry Langdon’s “Heart Trouble,” Laurel and Hardy’s “Hats
Off” and the first Marx Brothers film “Humor Risk” are resting in the dusty
corner of a private collection or a foreign archive.
1 Why is so much excess footage, edited out of
features, not preserved? I refer to "The Wizard of Oz," "Greed," "Frankenstein Meets
the Wolfman," etc. It amazes me that a director like Stroheim would not have
saved his first cut of "Greed," for example.
Hall: There was no
perceived commercial value for deleted sequences – the whole notion of
including deleted sequences as part of a film’s release only occurred when home
video came into the forefront. Plus, as stated earlier, storage of film is
expensive, and storage of footage that was cut from a release was not
considered practical. With “Greed,” von Stroheim had no control of the footage
that he shot – that was an MGM production, and he actually reneged on his
original contract by going far over the original budget. I am surprised the
film was ever completed, let alone released.
1 There are a lot of grindhouse films that are
lost, particularly Andy Milligan films. Where’s the best places to look to
discover these non-nitrate lost films.
Hall: Those are most
likely in private American collections – very few theatrical prints were made
from those releases, and the lucky people that snagged the prints after their
releases were over probably put them away and forgot about them.
What are three key things you learned from
researching this book?
Hall: First, I have the
most patient publisher on Earth: the book was delivered a year late because of
the extraordinary level of research and fact-checking required. Second, I never
truly realized the depth and scope of lost films until I started doing research
on the subject. And, third, many people are unaware that so many films are lost,
and I honored to be able to introduce them to this issue.
1 Finally, what advice do you give to the average
person on find a location to stumble across a lost film? Where should they?
Hall: Lost films have turned up in the strangest places – garbage bins, garden sheds, basements, and even in archives and museums under the wrong label. If you are in the U.S. and find a rare print, get in touch with a reputable archive, such as the Library of Congress, the Museum of Modern Art or the George Eastman House, to ensure that the film is properly stored and can receive the appropriate restorative care.
Although you mention in the book that the Medved brothers wrote about the gay porn film, "Him," why do you think they did?
Hall: “Him” was included in “The Golden Turkey Awards” in the chapter on bad porn concepts. I don’t know if the Medveds actually saw “Him” or read about it from a trade journal review. I assume they didn’t see the film – I can’t imagine Michael Medved in a gay porn venue. When the book came out in 1979, the film was not considered lost. It wasn’t until the early 2000s that people started to realize that no print of “Him” was in circulation or available from any adult film sources, and it was only then that it was declared a lost film. Of course, had it not been for the Medveds, we would never have known it existed in the first place.
Thanks very much for your time, Phil.
Hall: Lost films have turned up in the strangest places – garbage bins, garden sheds, basements, and even in archives and museums under the wrong label. If you are in the U.S. and find a rare print, get in touch with a reputable archive, such as the Library of Congress, the Museum of Modern Art or the George Eastman House, to ensure that the film is properly stored and can receive the appropriate restorative care.
Although you mention in the book that the Medved brothers wrote about the gay porn film, "Him," why do you think they did?
Hall: “Him” was included in “The Golden Turkey Awards” in the chapter on bad porn concepts. I don’t know if the Medveds actually saw “Him” or read about it from a trade journal review. I assume they didn’t see the film – I can’t imagine Michael Medved in a gay porn venue. When the book came out in 1979, the film was not considered lost. It wasn’t until the early 2000s that people started to realize that no print of “Him” was in circulation or available from any adult film sources, and it was only then that it was declared a lost film. Of course, had it not been for the Medveds, we would never have known it existed in the first place.
Thanks very much for your time, Phil.